A guide to green fee value for money

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128. Longniddry. 28 Sep 21.

High architectural pedigree at this well rated, but over priced, course that is a tale of two very different surrounds. Is this a camel I wonder?

Round £75. Par 68. Course Rating / Slope Rating (yellow) 69.8/119. Value (out of 5) – 3

Sometimes expectation can get the better of you. I’d read that Longniddry, one of the courses along the so called “golf coast” of East Lothian, had been designed through its evolution by no less than four of the worlds best course architects.

Gordon at the first. Lucky to miss the bunker off the tee, he sadly played his second into trouble to the left (see the bushes!). Always a great start:(

Harry Colt laid out the initial design in 1921, with subsequent adjustments by James Braid, Philip Mackenzie Ross and, finally, Donald Steele. That’s quite a pedigree.

Sir Alec Issigonis, designer of the original Mini motorcar, said, “a camel is a horse designed by committee.” The meaning was intended to convey how groups can be an ineffective method of development. Alternatively, “Too many cooks..” could also be used, in the same context.

Brian, again displaying his well coached follow through, here at the par three 6th hole, surrounded by greenside bunkers. I think all 4 of us might have been bunkered here – teamwork:).

These comments came to the fore of my mind when playing Longniddry, along with three good friends with whom I had worked with at Apex Scotland, a not for profit organisation dedicated to supporting people with convictions find work and improve their lives.

The plateaued 5th green, with bunkering awaiting the misjudged approach shots.

Set in the affluent village of Longniddry, only 20 minutes by commuter train to Edinburgh, the course occupies a relatively contained acreage, and has many £1m++ houses adorning several fairways. It is a heavenly place to reside for golfers. But the impression is that Longniddry is not a stuffy place, and one of the few “Golf Coast” upper rated courses that allow booking and discounts through the Golfnow app. That is to be applauded, but it can backfire a little; after booking a round at £75 a head with the clubhouse, I found out about a week before that tee times very close to ours were available at only £50 – on phoning up to challenge our fees, it must be said the club responded well. I do recognise the difficulty for clubs, especially when third party marketing app tee time pricing is sometimes controlled by the club, sometimes by the app marketers direct.

Frank putts out on the 173 yard uphill par three 13th, with backdrop of the Firth of Forth.

The course is very interesting. It has wide fairways, making for a relatively straight forward game off the tees, especially as the fairway bunkering is not as penal as some of its Lothian neighbours. The green surrounds are at times a real challenge, especially at the four par threes, where I lost count of the number of greenside bunkers. Unfortunately, the bunkers were still suffering (sic) from the Pandemic, like much of the population. If you plan to play Longniddry, spend a bit of time practicing your bunker play.

The par four 11th hole at Longniddry the start of the more ‘links’ feeling holes.

The fairways were fairly decent when we played on a lovely late September day. But the teeing grounds needed a little more care. The greens were good and clearly well watered.

The layout is a tale of two quite different environs. The course was created largely by carving out an area from the Boghill Wood, and holes 5 through 10, in particular feel like a woodland course. From 11 onwards the course opens out into a much more traditional links land layout with most holes with gorse in play.

The tough par four 7th hole at Longniddry, in the tree lined section of the course – stroke index 1.

The course is quite long at over 6000 yards from the yellow tees, given that it is a par 68. The real question I have, architecturally, is why none of the renowned architects after Colt said, “what about extending a couple of longer par 4s to make par 5s”, getting the par to (say) 70. Without this, you are left with 14 par 4s, with precious few birdie opportunities for the higher handicappers. The 17th/18th, both challenging par 4s of well over 400 yards, could relatively easily be altered, as could the long par four 3rd at 450 yards. I’m certain it must have been a debate down the years.

The short 16th hole with some of the residences of the well heeled in the background – I suspect that’s envy on my part?

The stoke indices also seemed to not reflect the difficulty. For example, the well bunkered par 3s, being labeled as the 4 easiest holes (not so, surely!), and the last, a long par 4 at 420 yards (yellow) being only stroke index 12? It would be intriguing to get the membership views on this.

There were two stand out holes for me:

> The 5th, a dog leg left par four of only 320 yards, with the approach played to a green on a plateau fronted by two mass grave like bunkers. Stay well right with the drive, and commit to at least one extra club on the approach. Its the most un ‘links’ like hole.

The cleverly designed par four 14th hole, where the burn comes into play for all but the longest off the tee. Good green complex.

> The 14th, a difficult par four, where only the long hitters can confidently drive over a ditch at around 200 yards, but the downhill fairway means that even a hybrid might run into the ditch. Then the approach is uphill to a carefully set green with difficult slopes.

The nice clubhouse awaits at the 18th – a demanding finish, more difficult than the SI of 12, in my opinion.

I played pretty well. After a 10 at the ninth, having been in trouble on both sides of the fairway, I came back in 41 (7 over), to actually win our small stableford competition. The winner was meant to get their meal paid for after by the other 3, but a number of my colleagues had to rush off, quashing my opportunity to milk any praise. But I’ve not forgotten!

Finally, going back to the camel proverb. A camel is actually a highly efficient design for its environment, in which horses would soon die. You can make your own mind up about the course being a camel or not.

Finally, finally. It is reported that Mary Queen of Scots played in the area of Longniddry. But how so, I say, when the location of the course was previously the Boghill Wood?

Course Type: Parkland/Links

Par 68 (0 par 5s, 14 par 4s, 4 par 3s)

Distance: 6052 (yellow)

Moly’s Gross score90

Moly’s Longniddry scorecard – a 90 with an excellent 41 on the back 9; but, a 10 on the 9th!.

127. Winterfield. 26 Sep 21.

The greens might be the firmest in Scotland – any fast bowling attack would like them!

Round £31. Par 65. Course Rating / Slope Rating (yellow) 63.2/103. Value (out of 5) – 4

When I played Winterfield golf course, on a blustery, but warm, late September day, certain questions and thoughts kept going through my mind:

  • This is the most fun golf I’ve had in years.
  • The West Indies fast bowing heroes of my youth could bowl on these rock hard greens!
  • Tiger Woods couldn’t get near this pin – it’s impossible!
  • This is mickey mouse golf!
  • How can this be assessed as a 103 slope rating, with 4 par 3s well over 200 yards?
Fran at the very difficult par 3 opening hole, which is a par 4 for the ladies.

Winterfield golf course is located in Dunbar on the “golf coast” of East Lothian. Overshadowed by the magnificent Dunbar golf course, which is also known as the “East Links” course in Dunbar, Winterfield is close to the “West Links” area of Dunbar where golf is first recorded as being played in 1616. Therefore, there is arguably a greater historical story with Winterfield, albeit the course was only established by the local town council in 1935, without any note of the course designer in the club website.

The Bass Rock dominates the backdrop of the 5th green, where Moly was putting for birdie (missed!).

The golf course sits on a beautiful piece of ‘links’ land around the fine clubhouse, called St Margaret’s House, which is home to the “Fairways” restaurant.

The 18 hole course is not long, at only 4817 yards from the yellow tees most visitors will use. However, the slope rating of only 103, belies the real challenge of the course. It has some of the toughest and long par 3s in the area, starting at the opening hole which is 224 yards long, over a long carry. It deserves the Stroke Index 3 rating. Play the first hole as if a par 4, and be happy with a bogie is my advice, as the holes 3 through 6 is the easiest stretch on the course and enable you to get under your handicap; the long par four 7th, SI 1, will challenge the best and has the most difficult green on the outward 9.

The wonderful par three 14th hole “The Point” (192 yards from yellow), here pictured from behind the green towards Dunbar Beach.

The back 9 is where the course presents the coastal challenges, with a number of the holes skirting Dunbar beach. No more so than at the aptly named “The Point”, the long par three 14th hole. With a very strong wind and fast running fairway I played a 9 iron (normally my 115 yard club) to the front of the green at the 192 yard hole! I four putted for a 5!

The last of the par 3s – the long 15th at 223 yards (yellow). The wind helped Moly reach the green here.

There are fantastic views views across the Firth of Forth towards The Kingdom of Fife, with the Bass Rock headlining the vistas. It is a nice walk for any non playing partners.

If you want a low cost links experience and challenge, in non stuffy surroundings, Winterfield is an ideal venue. But this is no easy holiday golf course and only the very top golfers will par many more than half of the par 3s on this course. The club also boast of a number of members who went on to play top amateur or professional golf.

The 18th, a short par 4, with St Margaret’s house in the background.

I felt I played well for my 88, which although 10 over net, was 30 stableford points. The greens were treacherous; very dry and fast, impossible to get any check spin on. The positions of the pins were also very difficult. The green side bunkering is also pretty tricky, and you should try and navigate away if you can.

There is tough bunkering at Winterfield, here shown at the par five, 17th hole; where the tough pin positions meant it was nigh impossible to flirt with the pins.

In summary, don’t be fooled by the slope index, which I imagine will adjust higher after several years data is compiled. I think if felt more like a 115 course.

Great value golf, but the hard greens devalue it a bit, hence only 4 rather than 5 for value.

Course Type: Links

Par 65 (1 par 5s, 9 par 4s, 8 par 3s)

Distance: 4817 (yellow)

Moly’s Gross score88

Moly’s decent round of 88, for 30 stableford points, including a 10 at the par four 12th hole!

125. Gifford. 23 Sep 2021.

Like a roller coaster that leaves you wanting to get straight back on.

Round £25. Par 34. Course Rating / Slope Rating (yellow) 34.1/127. Value (out of 5) – 4

I can’t imaging many golfers not wanting to be a member of Gifford Golf Club. This easy walking nine hole course in the delightful and upmarket village of Gifford in East Lothian has an alluring appeal. No sooner than finished the ninth you’ll want to go straight back on – just like a great roller coaster, that you see kids jumping back in the queue time after time.

Moly driving at the very tough par four 6th hole at Gifford.

I imagine there’s been quite a few people have gone round here at least 4 times on a summer day – I wonder what the record for most times played in a day is? This is no easy course though. The Slope of 127 will tell you that.

It was designed in 1904 and by all accounts has not changed much since being laid out. It has by all account only had 4 greenkeepers in the nearly 120 years of its existence; that would explain the excellent all round condition including the greens which were quite varied and all challenging.

The second hole, a par 4 of around 350 yards, at Gifford is typical of the challenges awaiting.

Despite searching, I couldn’t find the architect, but I imagine it was a top designer given how well the course flows, the excellent hole framing and the variety of challenges presented.

The course starts with three holes played out into the prevailing wind – the first, a well bunkered par 3, one of only two par 3s on the course, needs enough club as the danger is all at the front. The second, although a relatively short par 4, is a difficult hole, where the approach shot into the green, is played over a small burn, and is difficult to judge – trust your distance device here. The third, is the SI 9 hole and is the only ‘easy’ hole on the course – I got a ‘blob’.

The excellent par four 7th, here showing the great condition of the teeing ground – a sure fire measure of greenkeeping excellence.

The remainder of the holes constantly change direction, making for great variety depending on the wind. Set in open and undulating countryside, you are exposed to the elements, so wind will normally be a dominating feature playing here.

I found the challenge of the wind when I played a little too difficult and I scored a 48, 14 over par, thereby using all my handicap on the “first” nine holes. There are a couple of the holes, which have significant alternative tees, to enable a “back” nine to be played, albeit I never consider this anything other than 9 holes. It would be like classifying different tee boxes as constituting a different hole.

The good greens at Gifford, here shown at the par four 5th.

The clubhouse is also delightful and give yourself time for the exquisite but homely baking on offer.

On having a discussion with the very friendly attendant/cook, I found out that many local resident of Gifford village – a very well heeled place – are members of both Gifford and Gullane. Now that does make me envious!

Worth playing Gifford.

Course Type: Parkland

Par 34 (7 par 4s, 2 par 3s)“front 9”

Distance: 2882

Moly’s Gross score48

Moly’s 48 – for 12 stableford points – on this delightful nine hole Gifford course.

115. Gatehouse. 26 Oct 2020.

Joyful little gem

Round £15. Par 33. Course Rating / Slope Rating (yellow) 32/115. Value (out of 5) – 4

Can you only have fun playing golf if you play well? That was the question I pondered when assessing Gatehouse, a 9 hole golf course in Gatehouse of Fleet, a lovely little town in Dumfries and Galloway, which takes its name from the “Water of Fleet’ river that flows to the sea at nearby Kirkcudbright.

Moly at the short par three 5th tee at Gatehouse with magnificent Dumfries and Galloway backdrop.

It is a ‘highland/heathland’ course, with outstanding views. The clubhouse, a lovely little ‘shed’ type building, shouted ‘golf in its basic form’ to me. The course has been around for a hundred years (founded 1921) and probably has changed very little.

The second at Gatehouse, a beautiful mid length, par 4, with blind tee shot – plenty of room to the left of the marker.

The course has plenty of variety as well, requiring all your clubs (well me, anyway) – one par 5, four par 3s and 4s. The par 3s in particular are varied and collectively difficult. The first, an uphill par 3 of over 200 yards, played like a short par 4. The 8th and 9th are great finishing holes, with the downhill 160 yard 9th presenting a potential disaster if you go long – don’t do that.

The approach shot to the par 4 forth hole, at 322 yards (white), with the wonderful views.

I played well – scoring 37, 4 over par – on this course that I wouldn’t recommend for the ‘occasional’ golfer. It’s very undulating, a tough walk, has small greens and many blind tee and approach shots. It was quite slippery when I played and actually could be a bit hazardous (my playing partner Fran fell on one of the slopes).

The difficult par 3 eight hole, where being long is better than short.

Overall, its really great value golf. The greens and fairways were in excellent condition and overall this is highly recommended.

The ‘highland’ style clubhouse, typical of Scottish 9 hole courses.

But even without playing well, I think I would have come to the same conclusion – this is Scottish golf personified in many ways.

Course Type: Heathland

Par 33 (1 par 5, 4 par 4s, 4 par 3s)

Distance: 2418

Moly’s Gross score37

Moly’s scorecard at Gatehouse – 37 and great fun
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